Talk:Valeri Kharlamov

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Hi! A couple of things: 1. The article goes: "His only son Alexander is also a former hockey player". Wrong. He also had a daughter named Begonita (after his mother Begonia). She is married and has now two daughters of her own - Daria and Anna.

2. As for: "Does anyone know if Kharlamov had a military rank and if so what. I'm pretty sure that the soviet national team were all army members (so they could be olympians). Since he also played for CSKA Moscow it seems very likely he did have one." He did. The members of the Soviet national team were not subscribed to the army, but those from CSKA were, since CSKA stands for Central Sports Club of the Army. Kharlamov died a major. Source: ru.wikipedia.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.92.86.196 (talk) 12:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Upd. About this: "hi, I removed the bit about the broken nose in game six. I don't see him wearing anything over his face but I wouldn't be surprised if his nose was broken. Is there a source?"

The Canadians broke his nose in game six, but it happened in 1974, October 3. It was a Summit Series 1974's game in Moscow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.92.86.196 (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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hi, I removed the bit about the broken nose in game six. I don't see him wearing anything over his face but I wouldn't be surprised if his nose was broken. Is there a source?

Monk127 07:07, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Evgeny Mishakov's nose was bloodied by Rod Gilbert in 1972 Series [1]. I haven't found any sources claiming, that Kharlamov's nose has been broken there, therefore I believe he was confused with Mishakov. Cmapm 23:16, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That seems likely to me. Thanks for the link.

Monk127 00:08, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think there's too much emphasis on what Canadians thought about Kharlamov, how he fared against Canadians. It does not even mention how many WCh the guy won. All his career was in the USSR and most of his international games were against Czechs for that matter. So I'll add some stuff about how he did there. Gaidash 6 July 2005 18:06 (UTC)

Does anyone know if Kharlamov had a military rank and if so what. I'm pretty sure that the soviet national team were all army members (so they could be olympians). Since he also played for CSKA Moscow it seems very likely he did have one.

Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts?

Wetman

Problem with the template, he never played pro being in a comunist country. Is their any way to remove the word pro from the box about his career. - 1 December 2006 21.31 (UTC)

It was well-known at the time that the East Block "amateurs" were de facto professionals. I don't think there is much dispute any more about characterizing such players as pros. 76.66.127.35 (talk) 09:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Valery or Valeri?

What's the correct use? HockeyDB uses Valeri, as does LOH and HHOF. I've seen Valery used before though, I'm not really sure. RandySavageFTW (talk) 03:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

If Hockeydb, LOH and HHOF are using 'Valeri', I'd move it there. - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Even KHL uses "Valeri"; mover --Львівске (talk) 04:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Both are correct when translating Russian to English I believe you can use i or y interchangably if I remember a conversation on this for another player, but as above I would go with what the majority of sources use. -Djsasso (talk) 04:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

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2013 film about Kharlamov

A film about Kharlamovs life and hockey career was just released in Russia. It's called Legend №17 and has been a huge hit in Russian movie theatres so far and appears to have been recieved well by Kharlamovs former teammates as well, IIHF has a piece on it here. The IMDb entry is here and the Russian movie trailer on YouTube here. Worth adding to the article?

It is in there now. Canada Hky (talk) 23:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Valeri Kharlamov/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Resolute (talk · contribs) 20:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

General

• Images: Fair use claim on Varlamov's portrait is okay. I'm not going to make an issue of it here since I am not completely certain, but com:Commons:FOP#Russia indicates that the roadside memorial does not qualify under freedom of panorama and may also require a fair use claim (and by necessity, a local upload).
  • Not required for GA, but alternative text for images is recommended
• Sources are all reliable, high quality, no issues with close paraphrasing, spot check shows they support statements in article.

Lead

• I'm not a fan of the "despite never playing in the National Hockey League" qualifier in the lead. I know where it is coming from, but the placement sort of puts the NHL on a pedestal. Also, the statement is somewhat redundant to the next sentence.
• His achievements in the Soviet League should be mentioned. For consideration as an opening paragraph, something along the lines of:

Valeri Borisovich Kharlamov (Russian: Валерий Борисович Харламов, IPA: [xɐrˈlaməf]; 14 January 1948 – 27 August 1981) was an ice hockey forward who played for CSKA Moscow in the Soviet League from 1967 until 1981. Small in stature, Kharlamov was speedy, intelligent and skilled. Teammates and opposing players considered him one of the best players in the world. He was a member of 11 Soviet League championship teams in 14 seasons and was twice named player of the year.

• Kharlamov and his wife were survived by his two children --> "Kharlamov and his wife were survived by their children..."? Or, since this article is about him, "Kharlamov was survived by his children..."
• Given neither Valeri nor Alexander Kharlamov played in the NHL, I don't think I would count Alexander being drafted by Washington to be more important than his playing in the RSL

Early life

• Perhaps a little pedantic, but perhaps link to Spanish Civil War?
• seven and eight years old instead of 7 and 8 years old?

Soviet League

• Could use some expansion, though I can't imagine it would be easy to find good sources for this period of his career. However, one book I have, Duplacey, James; Zweig, Eric (2010), Official Guide to the Players of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Firefly Books, ISBN 1-55407-662-5, notes on page 279 that Kharlamov led the Soviet League in goals (40) in 1970-71 and points (42) in 1971-72. He was also named to the league's first all-star team seven times: 1971-76 and 1978.
• A career-threatening crash in 1976 is mentioned in the lead, but not the article body. This might be the ideal place to detail it.

World Championships

• He played in eleven World Championships in total, capturing 8 gold medals, 2 silvers and 1 bronze. - eight gold medals, two silvers and one bronze? Or, use 11 instead of eleven. Or switch all of them. I can never keep up with what the exact rule people want to use is!

Olympics

• The Soviet Union was the dominant force in international hockey during the 1970s, and Kharlamov played a big part in their gold medal victories at the 1972 and 1976 Winter Olympics. - Editorializing. Can this be sourced to someone?
• I might switch the order of the Olympics and Summit Series sections. As it stands, the text goes from when Kharlamov retired from the national team to a point eight years in the past. Also, your opening sentence for the Summit Series is a great segue from the World Champs section.

Summit Series

• The first couple sentences could use sources
• In the sixth game of the series, Bobby Clarke slashed Kharlamov intentionally, fracturing a bone in his ankle. - I'd remove "intentionally" from here given you go into detail about the slash's premeditation in the next sentences.

Legacy

• Citation needed on Kovalchuk wearing 71
• ...along with 3 other Soviet stars. - along with three other Soviet stars.

Overall

This was one of those Hockey Mountain bios I was eying with distrust, given how difficult it is to find good sources on former Soviet stars. Glad you took it up! Some small bits of work in a few places, but should easily pass soon. As such, I'm placing the nomination on hold. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resolute (talk • contribs) 21:21, 12 April 2014‎ (UTC)

• Resolute, there has been no action by the nominator—indeed, Canada Hky has not edited on Wikipedia since March 12, ten days after this was nominated—so unless someone can be found to address the issues you've raised, this will have to be closed as unsuccessful.
  • I know. I've been weighing between closing as unsuccessful and trying to resolve the issues myself and having a third party complete the review. I want to do the latter, but haven't had time to do the necessary research as of yet. If I can't this weekend, I'll fail it and renominate later if need be. Resolute 20:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

• Resolute, looks like it didn't happen, so it's time to fail it. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• Agreed. I have neither the time nor inclination to pick this up myself at this point. Canada Hky - if/when you return and renominate, let me know and I'll do a quick re-review. Resolute 22:19, 4 June 2014 (UTC)